This is going to be somewhat subtle, so bear with me.
The reasonable default position that Ash is assuming is that halacha is basically a legal system which can employ sophisticated legal constructs and legal fictions (“treat it as if”), so there is no need to invoke any kind of abstract existential dimension to halacha. I hope the bombastic example of פסולי מוקדשין was sufficient to make the case that at least at times, it is clear that halacha goes way beyond legal fiction and enters the realm of what I will now call “non-empirical realities”. Using the phrase “Ontological reality” seems to be confusing the message I want to get across.
I believe there is totally different kind of distinction that can be made between halacha and the standard concept of a legal system.
I imagine rules of pure procedural law as operating in a completely linear fashion. It starts here and ends there. Laws interact with one another in very 2-dimensional ways—it is overridden by some laws here and it overrides other laws there. Kind of like traffic law, where there is a hierarchy of rules of right-of-way: all cars have to yield to pedestrians, and some cars have to yield to other cars on the road depending on their position on the road, emergency vehicles and police have their own special overriding privileges, etc.
But when I look at some halachos, I get the feeling that there is actually a ‘living’ quality to them. We find that halacha acts sort of autonomously. Sounds scary, no?
Read what the Rambam says in Moreh Book III Chapter 34 about halacha:
For the Law is a divine institution, and [in order to understand its operation] we must consider how in Nature the various forces produce benefits which are general, but in some solitary cases they cause also injury. This is clear from what has been said by ourselves as well as by others. We must consequently not be surprised when we find that the object of the Law does not fully appear in every individual; there must naturally be people who are not perfected by the instruction of the Law, just as there are beings which do not receive from the specific forms in Nature all that they require. For all this comes from one God, is the result of one act; “they are all given from one shepherd” (Eccles. xii.)
This entire chapter was crucial in responding to Binyomin Zev Wolf’s recent post highlighting halacha-generated misery. But this excerpt reveals a tremendously important principle about halacha. It operates like LAWS OF NATURE.
(The Rambam here actually implies it operates like laws of Biology which has very interesting implications which may be explored in the future.)
Perhaps the examples below will best illustrate what I’m trying to communicate.
One clear example is התפשטות הקדושה. When you try to consecrate a specific limb of an animal, or be מקדש half a woman, the kedusha will spontaneously expand to encompass the entire individual (as long as there is nothing impeding it).1 This doesn’t happen when it comes to property ownership of animals or slaves in halacha. When you want to acquire a part of something, the ownership doesn’t spontaneously spread to encompass the entire object.2
So we see that הקדש has a certain quality—it spreads of its own accord!
And this spreading even takes place against the wishes of the person bestowing the הקדש!
For instance, according to Rebbe Meir, when the owner of an animal wants to bestow two forms of קדושת מזבח on a single animal, and he utters both types of קדושה in the same sentence, the name of the first type of קדושה that he utters in the sentence will be chal first, which, against the wishes of the owner, takes over the entire animal and prevents the second type of קדושה from being chal afterward. It’s call תופס לשון ראשון.3 That’s right. The kedusha ‘grabs’ the first type that was uttered and immediately spreads to block the second type, even though the owner said both in one sentence in a way that showed he wanted both types to be chal.
I don’t think secular legal systems have qualities that behave this way. (Of course, you can purposely design a law to behave any way you want it to, but that would be a capricious and frivolous thing to do. I’m talking about contrasting the halachic system with a rational, utilitarian, man-made legal system.)
A more subtle example of 3-dimensional quality in halacha is something I came across in Bechoros.
Most of us are familiar with two forms of הקדש: There is קדושת מזבח and קדושת בדק הבית. Both types can be bestowed on animals, but the former creates a קדושת הגוף while the latter only creates קדושת ממון. The main difference between them is that kedushah of קדושת הגוף cannot be redeemed with money and returned back to its original non-sacred status. It has to be offered on the מזבח unless it becomes disqualified. And even when it gets disqualified through obtaining a severe blemish and can be redeemed, certain traces of קדושת הגוף still remain—as Rashi informed us in the previous post.
But there is a third kind of הקדש: It is called מקדיש דמים למזבח where the קדושת דמים of any object or animal is made specifically to be sold, with the proceeds used to purchase an animal that can be offered on the מזבח.
The interesting thing is that when someone applies הקדש דמים למזבח to an unblemished animal that can potentially be offered on the מזבח, the type of קדושה chal on this animal automatically becomes full קדושת מזבח! It can’t be sold (unless it acquires a blemish making it פסולי מוקדשין). Again, this happens even against the owner’s wishes. (Again, more autonomous behavior.)
But if הקדש דמים למזבח was applied to an animal already with a blemish beforehand which cannot be offered on the מזבח, then the kedusha remains in the form of קדושת דמים למזבח that the owner intended, and it can be sold as is— with the proceeds going towards an unblemished animal for the מזבח.
With these facts in mind, let’s examine the following case of the gemara in Bechoros daf 14b:
Let’s say this blemished animal which the owner bestowed קדושת דמים למזבח upon, then gave birth to unblemished offspring. This offspring will naturally inherit the קדושת דמים למזבח of its mother. But remember that this animal is unblemished. Based on what we’ve learned about this situation, the קדושת דמים למזבח on this unblemished animal should automatically convert itself into direct קדושת מזבח, right? It should not be redeemable without first getting a blemish and be rendered פסולי מוקדשין. That is what logic would dictate.
But the gemara says no.
המתפיס בעלי מומין קבועין לגבי מזבח וילדו ימכרו ואין צריכין מום שאין קדושה חלה עליהן שלא יהא טפל חמור מן העיקר טעמא שלא יהא טפל חמור מן העיקר אבל הקדיש זכר לדמיו קדוש קדושת הגוף
The gemara says that because this unblemished animal was born from a blemished animal, the קדושת דמים למזבח that it receives from its mother will allow it to be sold immediately— without any blemish!
It seems to me that what’s happening here is that the קדושה being passed to the unblemished offspring retains the “inherited flavor” of its blemished origins and prevents the normal process from occurring. The blemished mother’s kedusha allows the unblemished offspring to be sold as is.
Laws don’t have “inherited flavors”, but halachos do.
Rashi and Tosfos Kiddushin 7a
Tosfos Kiddushin 7b: חצייך בפרוטה וחצייך בפרוטה. ואם תאמר אמאי לא יועיל והא לא אמר לעיל דלא פשטו קידושין בכולה אלא משום דאיכא דעת אחרת ואינה מתרצה אלא למה ששומעת אבל אם היינו יודעים שמתרצה בכולה פשטו קידושין בכולה והכא גלי דעתה שמתרצה בכולה וי''ל דאי הוי מיירי דאמר לה בלשון קידושין אין ה''נ דהוו פשטו קידושין בכולה אבל הכא איירי דאמר לה הרי את מאורסת לי או בחד מהני לישני דלעיל (דף ו.):
Temurah 26a, Zevachim 30a; See Rashi there: אבל הכא דאמר תמורת עולה ושלמים חד דיבורא הוא ותרוייהו חיילי או דלמא תפוס לשון ראשון לעולם ופשטה קדושת עולה בכולה ותו לא אתו שלמים וחיילי: לחצות מהו. את''ל פשטה קדושת עולה בכולה אמר הרי (זו) בהמה זו לחצות לעולה ושלמים מאי האי חד דיבורא הוא ואין זה חל בלא זה או דלמא כיון דפשטה בפלגא פשטה בכולה ולא אתו שלמים וחיילי:
“it is clear that halacha goes way beyond legal fiction and enters the realm of what I will now call “non-empirical realities”. Using the phrase “Ontological reality” seems to be confusing the message I want to get across.”
You’re comparing the gemara with modern day secular law. That’s bound to cause problems. As far as I can tell, secular law emerged from earlier versions which were much ‘metaphysical’ than modern law.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2449/2449-h/2449-h.htm#link2H_4_0006
Continental jurists have long been collecting the evidence that, in the earlier periods of Roman and German law alike, the unit of society was the family. The Twelve Tables of Rome still recognize the interest of the inferior members of the family in the family property. Heirs are called sui heredes, that is, heirs of themselves or of their own property, as is explained by Gaius. /1/ Paulus says that they are regarded as owners in a certain sense, even in the lifetime of their father, and that after his death they do not so much receive an inheritance as obtain the full power of dealing with their property. /2/
Starting from this point it is easy to understand the [343] succession of heirs to a deceased paterfamilias in the Roman system. If the family was the owner of the property administered by a paterfamilias, its rights remained unaffected by the death of its temporary head. The family continued, although the head died. And when, probably by a gradual change, /1/ the paterfamilias came to be regarded as owner, instead of a simple manager of the family rights, the nature and continuity of those rights did not change with the title to them. The familia continued to the heirs as it was left by the ancestor. The heir succeeded not to the ownership of this or that thing separately, but to the total hereditas or headship of the family with certain rights of property as incident, /2/ and of course he took this headship, or right of representing the family interests, subject to the modifications effected by the last manager.
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…the identification worked both ways. The heir was liable for the debts due from his ancestor, and he could recover those which were due to him, until [349] the executor took his place in the King's Courts, as well as in those of the Church. Within the limits just explained the heir was also bound to warrant property sold by his ancestor to the purchaser and his heirs. /1/ It is not necessary, after this evidence that the modern heir began by representing his ancestor generally, to seek for expressions in later books, since his position has been limited. But just as we have seen that the executor is still said to represent the person of his testator, the heir was said to represent the person of his ancestor in the time of Edward I. /2/ So, at a much later date, it was said that "the heir is in representation in point of taking by inheritance eadam persona cum antecessore," /3/ the same persona as his ancestor.
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But this is not all. The identity of person was carried [350] farther still. If a man died leaving male children, and owning land in fee, it went to the oldest son alone; but, if he left only daughters, it descended to them all equally. In this case several individuals together continued the persona of their ancestor. But it was always laid down that they were but one heir. /1/ For the purpose of working out this result, not only was one person identified with another, but several persons were reduced to one, that they might sustain a single persona.
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We see, then, that the tenant had a distinct persona or status in respect of each of the fees which he held. The rights and duties incident to one of them had no relation to the rights and duties incident to another. A succession to one had no connection with the succession to another. Each succession was the assumption of a distinct personal relation, in which the successor was to be determined by the terms of the relation in question.
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The bearing which this has upon the contracts of the [353] deceased has been pointed out. But its influence is not confined to contract; it runs through everything. The most striking instance, however, is the acquisition of prescriptive rights. Take the case of a right of way. A right of way over a neighbor's land can only be acquired by grant, or by using it adversely for twenty years. A man uses a way for ten years, and dies. Then his heir uses it ten years. Has any right been acquired? If common sense alone is consulted, the answer must be no. The ancestor did not get any right, because he did not use the way long enough. And just as little did the heir. How can it better the heir's title that another man had trespassed before him? Clearly, if four strangers to each other used the way for five years each, no right would be acquired by the last. But here comes in the fiction which has been so carefully explained. From the point of view of the law it is not two persons who have used the way for ten years each, but one who has used it for twenty. The heir has the advantage of sustaining his ancestor's and the right is acquired.
I would point out that using Hekdesh or Tumah is cheating as Kedusha and Tumah (and possibly Cherem as well) are both understood to be spreadable real qualities, at least in Tanakh. Tumah is clearly something thought to be contagious like disease of some sort.
Compare that to eating Matza or two dinim in davening maariv and there's no comparison.